Danny posted a comment on my recent post on atheism, setting me straight on the difference between agnosticism and atheism. I remember a number of good discussions about this, sometimes involving whiskey, at his place with Emily and Brienna. He writes:
Agnostic is the term people use to describe your last sentiment. Alas, agnosticism is one of the less fashionable -isms.
Atheism is a belief system that has exactly as much logical validity (or empirical support) as theism, and can be executed with just as much arrogance.
It is not a sign of weakness to admin that one doesn't know the unknowable. In fact, to claim otherwise is by definition foolish. (How 'bout that for arrogance)
It is an interesting point and one I've heard a number of times from people. I don't really agree, so I thought I'd set out a response, this time sober and hence hopefully with a little more logic and thoughtfulness, and with a little less volume and bombast.
To start off, I will admit that many dictionaries perhaps give such a definition, but dictionaries don't give much space for a lot of philosophical nuance, and these are very contested terms. In any case, this being the internet after all, dictionary.com actually gives a different definition:
- The doctrine or belief that there is no God.
- disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Which to my mind, neatly summarizes two of the main strands of thought that make up atheism. Wikipedia also has a good overview of all this, including the very complicated history of this term. But in short, it seems to me that atheism can either be a strong form, which includes the
positive belief that there is no God, or a weak form that is essentially an
absence of belief in God. I tend to side with the latter, simply because I think it makes more logical sense: who in their right mind goes about positing the non-existence of anything, God included, in a universe of unimaginable size?
I also tend to like the weak form of atheism because it closely matches the meaning of the word itself. Atheism to me implies that it is
outside of any theistic system. I guess the best analogy would be the word amoral. You can talk about people or their actions being moral or immoral, but the actions of ants, for example, are neither, they are simply amoral. The notion of morality simply doesn't apply on an insect level: inserts possess neither consciousness nor free will. Tying this back to atheism, the term itself to me very simply means that it is entirely outside of any theistic system at all.
But lets consider the strong form of atheism as well for a moment. The statement that "I believe there is no God" might well be a leap of faith, but is it really comparable to the statement that "I believe there is a God"? After all, I will quite comfortably tell my children, as a statement of fact, that vampires, unicorns and martians do not exist. But I can't prove that. No one on Earth, in fact, can actually prove the
positive non-existence of any of these things, and yet we would all feel quite comfortable saying similar things. Does God get some sort of special dispensation against this because he's, well, kind of bigger in a cosmic way?
Agnosticism is, I think, a wholly different animal. Again, from dictionary.com:
- a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate case, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
- 2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
Wikipedia also gives a good overview. Based on this, agnosticism for me is about whether it is possible to
know anything at all about God. Is he, or she, a knowable category or is God simply beyond all human conception?
This definition also has the advantage of according with what the word itself means. The term agnostic was coined by Huxley and is based on the Greek agnotos, meaning "not known" or "incapable of being known". Hence, and as Wikipedia points out, it would be an entirely logical position to be an agnostic Christian.
However, I don't seen any particular reason why God, if he or she exists, should be beyond all human conception. If we can study what happens in the first few seconds of the birth of the universe, why couldn't we conceivably figure out some way to study God eventually. I guess this is why I don't think of myself as an agnostic. Besides, and more tellingly, how do agnostics
know that God is unknowable. That, in itself seems like a big leap of faith. From my perspective it seems like agnostics may have a
positive belief that anything to do with God is beyond human conception. What is their basis for that?
I guess I have a couple of questions of my own back for Danny:
- Should we draw a distinction between God and other mythological creatures, such as unicorns, or even earlier polytheistic beliefs? If so, why?
- Given that Christians positively deny the 'truth' of other religions, does that make Christians also atheists (strong form) with respect to earlier or different religions, for example, the polytheistic Norse Gods?
Though perhaps those should wait until we can actually have another fun discussion in a pub somewhere, involving something alcoholic.